Interview with Sunil Goyal

You are not leading correctly, if no one is criticising you. In our July 2021 edition, we have interviewed Sunil Goyal, Dy.Chief Executive Officer of Sopra Steria India. We discussed his leadership style and how he deals with the criticism keeping the focus on goals and objectives of the organisation.

Let’s read;

Q1. How would you describe your leadership style?


Sunil: I would describe my leadership style as “Connected “. In all my years of experience, I have learnt a lot from being connected to people from within the organisation, my friends, my professional acquaintances, my college connections and even practical strangers at times.

When I say I have learnt a lot, I mean I have picked up from people’s experiences, their perspectives, perceptions & judgements. You know what I found most interesting? People thrive on interaction and conversations. My leadership style in a nutshell is to try to bring out the best in me and others by 3Cs – Connection, Conversation and Care.


Q2. Leadership comes up with lots of criticism as well. How do you respond to the criticism?

Sunil: Well, I try not to react, rather respond or pass. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I don’t. Regardless of whether I agree or I disagree, I always acknowledge the criticism and try finding out the WHY behind it. I never doubt the intention. That’s the first step towards improvement. 

Truth be told, at the leadership position, we don’t have the luxury of receiving a lot of critical feedback because people mostly try to be pleasing and understandably so. Hence critical feedback is “extremely valuable” for me. 

I once read somewhere, “You are nothing but an opinion in someone’s mind” and critical feedback tells me what opinion do I hold and how my actions are perceived. It tells me what I need to do more and what I need to do less. 

I am very grateful for all the critics I have had. They are my coaches as they help me become better one way or the other.

Q3. Delegating responsibilities efficiently is one of the most common challenges faced by leadership and management. Please share 3 tips to delegate responsibilities efficiently as per your experiences.

Sunil: 

  1. Choose people wisely. Take your time to make them ready. Work with them, share your vision, objectives, critical success factors and limiting factors (if any). Prepare them well for success.
  2. Give people independence to think as well as execute. Be there as an advisor & anchor.
  3. Let people make mistakes. Let them learn this way. Do not be a helicopter manager 😊

In short, choose the right people, set the perimeter and give them freedom.

Q4.  Which was the hardest decision you’ve ever made as a leader. How did you decide which course of action was best?

Sunil: For me, decisions are not hard (or simple), it’s the ambiguity of thoughts that makes a decision difficult. I have always been clear with my ethics and values. They have been my most trusted advisors when it comes to making decisions, big or small. My value system is my compass, pointing to what’s right and what isn’t. Everything else is negotiable. 

Q5. How difficult was it to lead the organisation during the outbreak of coronavirus? What measures you as a leader have taken to ensure smooth functioning of the business.

Sunil: Our priorities were clear from the very beginning. Well-being of our people and their families first and everything else would be secondary. Well-being meant physical as well as emotional well-being. 

All our efforts were directed towards providing our people and their families with mental, medical, financial and professional assistance as the case maybe. We offered Employee Assistance Program to provide mental and psychological support , COVID expense reimbursement and additional financial support, office equipment and connectivity reimbursements to name a few. I personally spoke to many of our clients and apprised them of the situation. We had a dedicated COVID helpdesk to assist people with resources and other covid related amenities.

While the leadership was taking care of the people, people were taking care of the business. In spite of 1/3rd of our workforce being impacted over the last one year, we did not have a single business alert.

I am very proud to say that our people demonstrated care and empathy. They stepped up and filled in for their colleagues wherever we fell short of hands.

“The world is how we shape it” is our belief and at Sopra Steria we shape it around our people and then our business .

Q6. One question you think I should have asked you. Please mention and answer as well. 

Sunil:

One question that I keep asking myself “What next“?

I don’t have the answer to it every time but sooner or later I figure it out . 


Sunil Goyal is currently Dy.Chief Executive Officer of Sopra Steria India. He is responsible for all functions including software delivery, HR, IT, Finance, and administration. Sopra Steria has centres in Noida, Chennai, Pune and Bangalore, with an employee strength of 6000 People.His Passion has always been People. He has been instrumental in setting up a highly performance driven culture at the centre.

Interview with L C Singh

Most of us speak about Change Management these days and some of us wonder about the need for it. In this edition, we discussed the same with Mr. L C Singh (Executive Vice-Chairman, Nihilent).

Mr. Singh also held senior leadership positions at Tata Consultancy Services – as Senior Vice President, and Zensar – President & CEO, prior to founding Nihilent. He is a distinguished alumnus of the Institute of Technology, BHU, and a valedictorian of the Harvard Business School, a Certified Management Consultant, and a Fellow of the Institute of Management Consultants of India and the Computer Society of India. Among other professional accomplishments, he is also a Certified Due Diligence Professional. 

Let’s read about his journey and his thoughts on Change Management.

Q1. Briefly share your journey from a Sr. Vice-President at TCS to Executive Vice-Chairman of Nihilent. One thing that always kept you moving forward?

L C Singh: It’s been a very rewarding journey and my early days with TCS gave me enough room to nurture my entrepreneurial spirit all the way to the year 1998.  I started Nihilent, to create a distinct value to the Indian and Global IT industry using Design Thinking. I spent almost 2 decades at TCS and during that time, I oversaw various functions ranging from operations to marketing to corporate communications. It was more of an entrepreneurial role that gave me enough headroom to broaden TCS’ footprints to newer markets, foray into new geographies and to add new service lines.

I left TCS in 1998 and joined International Computers India Ltd ( ICIL) as the President & CEO.  ICIL subsequently became Zenzar Technologies in 1999 and headed their global operations until the time I founded Nihilent in 2000. It is worth mentioning that during my stint at Zenzar, it achieved the unique distinction of being adjudged at SEI-CMM Level 5, the highest Capability Maturity Model and the first Indian IT company to be apprised at Level 5 for its enterprise-wide delivery capabilities. 

One thing that kept me moving forward is my dream to create a differentiation in the IT industry. And I found out that design thinking as the game changer that can usher in the much-needed panacea for enterprise IT pain points and align IT with business goals. If I look back at the evolution of IT over the years, the 1980s, IT was about back-office automation. During the 1990’s IT became a strategic tool for achieving a competitive advantage. From 2000, IT has become the real instrument of change. 

Today, computing and communications have merged together to create a powerful range of service capabilities, and what has fundamentally changed in the new school of IT is that the consumer rules and IT is all about enabling the aspirations of the consumer and manifesting it into different services and products, and companies like us handhold the enterprise in this transformation with an array of solutions and services and here is where our integrated change management powered by design thinking comes into play.

Q2. You have contributed greatly in building the Indian IT brand worldwide. What do you wish for it’s future?

L C Singh: As I said earlier, today the consumers wield an all-pervasive power over the enterprise. We need to be grounded to consumers and get their pulse and come out with the right products and services. At a broader level, the enterprises need to arrive at the big picture and understand what the consumer needs, wants and aspirations. This is a baseline picture on which one needs to build the business blocks and power it with IT. This is where players like us make an entry and our design thinking approach to problem-solving brings a systemic approach to IT services delivery.

If I look ahead, I believe that the much-needed regeneration of the IT industry is around the bend. Approaches like design thinking will completely change enterprise computing by fostering customer-centricity and hasten collaborative partnerships not seen before. By propagating design thinking, what we are saying is that IT is not a one-time deployment process, rather a continuous evolutionary process, engaging the customers and other stakeholders continuously for the efficient business outcome.

APPROACHES LIKE DESIGN THINKING WILL COMPLETELY CHANGE ENTERPRISE COMPUTING BY FOSTERING CUSTOMER CENTRICITY

Q3. Change Management is a much talked about topic today. How do you define ‘Change Management’? Why is the dire need of it in organisations?

L C Singh: Change management according to me is to cope with the new breed of consumer demands and who exactly know what they want. To deal with that at the enterprise side, we need a change in the processes, change in the way we create products and redefining the overall business strategy.

We need to go deep down the consumer demands and understand their needs and pain points and build solutions using appropriate technologies to solve consumer problems. And how does one seamlessly manifest all these? As an integrated change management vendor, we take all the parameters under Sense, Immerse, Define, Ideate, Build and Validate through the design thinking approach.

Q4. Mention one thing you feel is missing in the current generation of entrepreneurs and one thing which is worth appreciating about them.

L C Singh: Let me narrate the positive things. It’s amazing to see the overall enthusiasm levels among entrepreneurs. But having said that, I am disappointed to see that such enthusiasm was primarily rooted in making only money, rather than creating value and differentiation in whatever they do. If I compare this with the Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, the thinking and approach are completely different. The emphasis there revolves around, how can I be a world-beater and create something new and completely different rather than being a copycat? To me entrepreneurship is not just about VC funding and making money, it is about having a broader vision of value creation, that I think is missing in the Indian context.

If I have to wear a hat of a mentor, my advice to budding entrepreneurs is to ask them to learn from our own IT industry and from its humble beginnings and how companies invested in the early days and reaped the dividends after several years. New entrepreneurs need to have patience and create something tangible that’s worth talking about. The second bit of important advice I would give to them is to be humble and shy away from intellectual arrogance, which will completely alienate them from the consumers and remember the consumers always have the power of choice and walk away from you anytime.

Q5. What are your three tips to organisations to survive the digital disruption?

L C Singh: Irrespective of what business you are in, the basic starting premise is to create an abstraction of your business.   For instance, at Nihilent, we breakdown the industry and find out the real business dynamics and map a whole lot of parameters to granulate the many forces that shape the business. Moreover, until we get a grip on who our competitors are, it is impossible to create a successful service delivery. Digital disruption is a double-edged sword and sometimes we do not even know who our real competitors are. I can cite examples like Apple becoming the competitor for Sony or a Walmart competing with Amazon. There are numerous such examples. What I am saying is that in this age of digital disruption, you need to have a ring-side view of your business and be able to granulate elements like: What is the industry environment? Where is the competition coming from? Do I understand the competition well? Am I just fulfilling the need? Or Do I have an idea about their aspirations? Asking yourself these questions will help to find you a sweet-spot and tame and survive disruption.

In sum my three tips would be: 

  • Understand the consumer aspirations and the competition.
  • Do not always go by best practices, what worked in the past might not work now and in the future.
  • Have empathy conversations with your consumers in order to map their needs and aspirations.

Q6. One questions you think I should have asked you. Please answer that question as well.

L C Singh: On creating new innovation benchmarks

One thing here I would like to drive home is innovation. In my opinion real innovation has to happen. We suffer from innovation myopia and often times not able to define what are we innovating? Are we just copy cats or creators of something new? My question here is: Do we (entrepreneurs) have the ability to create something new and pathbreaking?

LC Singh, is the founder and executive Vice Chairman of Nihilent Ltd., a global consulting and solutions integration company with a holistic approach to problem solving. A pioneer of IT, Mr. Singh has contributed extensively to the development of Indian IT and consulting industry worldwide. Mr. Singh has a rich and varied experience of nearly five decades in development, marketing and general management in the IT industry. He has been the driving force in the growth and expansion of Nihilent worldwide. He is an internationally recognized thought leader on design & systems thinking and is an invited speaker at global conferences on Design Thinking, Change Management, and Digital Disruption. He is the author of MC3, Nihilent’s patented change management framework, Customer Loyalty Index (14 Signals), a framework for calibrating customer satisfaction, and Prolicy – D, a design-thinking enabled framework for creating products and services.